XIII or Versus XIII?

[Hynad]

xENOgEAR666, anyone stating they categorically prefer Versus over XIII is nothing but dumb.

Not because of the possibility that FF XIII might be better than Versus, in the end.

But because there is actually nothing about Versus that could point in the direction that it will be any better than XIII. Nothing about the actual gameplay has been shown so far other than a "behind closed doors" tech demo at the last TGS. And we know so little about the story that even mentioning it as an argument against XIII is nothing but embarrassing. People like you fail to realize they're nothing but fanboys, blinded by the hype train that Nomura has put into motion.

The truth is, you know next to nothing about Versus and already jump to the conclusion that it will be better than XIII. Based on nothing but the apparent coolness of what is still an empty character. You're in fact nothing more than drooling over the superficial coating of what little was shown of the game.


Not only what you say is taken from no where other than your filthy ass, but you're making a fool out of yourself without even realizing it.


Allowing us all to enjoy a good laugh at the expense of your mindless pre-pubescent drooling.

[xENOgEAR666]

Originally Posted by Hynad

xENOgEAR666, anyone stating they categorically prefer Versus over XIII is nothing but dumb.

Not because of the possibility that FF XIII might be better than Versus, in the end.

But because there is actually nothing about Versus that could point in the direction that it will be any better than XIII. Nothing about the actual gameplay has been shown so far other than a "behind closed doors" tech demo at the last TGS. And we know so little about the story that even mentioning it as an argument against XIII is nothing but embarrassing. People like you fail to realize they're nothing but fanboys, blinded by the hype train that Nomura has put into motion.

The truth is, you know next to nothing about Versus and already jump to the conclusion that it will be better than XIII. Based on nothing but the apparent coolness of what is still an empty character. You're in fact nothing more than drooling over the superficial coating of what little was shown of the game.


Not only what you say is taken from no where other than your filthy ass, but you're making a fool out of yourself without even realizing it.


Allowing us all to enjoy a good laugh at the expense of your mindless pre-pubescent drooling.

Incorrect. There is plenty known about versus at this point that tells me that I already KNOW (yes, that's a fact) I am going to like it better than XIII.

1. I like video games with characters I can relate to. I can already tell I can relate to Noctus better. The game looks darker and more bleak in general, and so does his character. Also, I usually relate to male characters better than female lead characters and therefore enjoy games more with males as the lead. This is the style of game I like. Saying style and look has no effect on your opinion of a game is moronic, but at the same time its not terribly important, its just one of the many things that sway my opinion toward versus.

2. XIII seems like the same story as any other final fantasy that has come out. I can already tell what the game is going to be like mostly and it just makes me wish they would have gone a different direction with the main new final fantasy coming out. Then, I see a trailer for versus, and think, Now this is what they should have done to begin with! Even though there is little information, the little information that I do know already tells me I will like versus more.
a. More action oriented gameplay (This HAS been stated) - Right up my alley. I think they should make a Final fantasy with an epic ass story as well as epic dissidia style fighting in it! Another fact that moves versus above XIII for me.
b. Notcis's group is based on the Yakuza (Also has been stated, and I have a collection of probably 150 Yakuza movies). I think the Yakuza are very interesting, so basing his group on them tells me that I am going to enjoy these group dynamics a whole lot more than the generic love and save the world story dynamics that are going to occupy XIII's group. We can also already see the relationship between Notcis and the girl is not going to be an average love story like in the other FF's. They duke it out!
c. Darker and bleaker story. You can tell just by looking at it that the game is darker in general. Once again, my kind of thing.

3. THE MUSIC. The music in the versus trailer completely blows anything ive heard on any XIII video out of proportion! That latin opera singing while noctis is owning everyone is awesome. Makes it super epic. This type of epic music gives me the chills just listening to it. Very soulful. If the rest of the music on this game is as good as this, well damn, I don't know what to say...

4. PS3 exclusive still - Graphics and extra features will not be downgraded to fit on the 360.

This is all the reasons I need to tell me that I will love versus more than XIII. Its not even a question really.

I'm sure ill play XIII and enjoy it, but if you read all that and try to tell me I don't have sufficent reason to know Illl like versus better, well, your just retarded.

I know what I like, especially what kind of games I like, and Versus appeals to me 1000000x more than XIII.

and I am 20 years old. There is nothing pre-pubescent about my comment you fool.

[Prak]

Originally Posted by xENOgEAR666

There is nothing pre-pubescent about my comment you fool.

I actually agree with this. Hynad, you big sillyhead, you should know that stupidity doesn't end at puberty.

[Hynad]

xENOgEAR666, read my last post again.





And you may be 20 years old, but you reason like a 13 years old boy.

Originally Posted by rapidfire sidewalk

I actually agree with this. Hynad, you big sillyhead, you should know that stupidity doesn't end at puberty.

Oh right. I forgot to be this specific.

[xENOgEAR666]

Originally Posted by Hynad

xENOgEAR666, read my last post again.





And you may be 20 years old, but you reason like a 13 years old boy.





Oh right. I forgot to be this specific.

Wow, you are just rediculous. Why would I reread your last post when I just completely de-railed it and gave like 10 reasons why Versus appeals more to me than XIII which CANNOT BE DISPUTED. I ALREADY KNOW ALL I NEED TO KNOW, TO KNOW VERSUS APPEALS TO ME MORE THAN XIII.

How about you go re-read my post, and actually respond to my points instead of making little snobby childish comments completely unrelated to what we are talking about... How does that prove your right? Just because you have a bunch of butt buddys that jump in on your side and cheer you on does NOT mean that childish insults , with no counter arguments, make you win? Or am I missing something?

LMFAO, I mean I can tell, you didn't even read my post. Just got right back to the childish comments.

You have no good arguments so you just say stupid insults such as this, well you had your chance to prove your superior intellect. You had the chance to show me that there is no way I could know if I will like versus more or not, and failed and missed it, this argument is so lame I won't give you the chance again...

YOU LOSE. Your just some butt hurt nerd who results to insults when anyones opinions don't match yours.

Sorry that you don't know what kind of games you like, but I do. And I can already tell for a FACT that I will like versus better from the info I have, you trying to tell me that I cannot tell what kind of games I like when you don't even know me is just silly.

[Hynad]

I can certainly tell you there's no way you can say you like Versus more than FF XIII, since you didn't play either of them.


And, why would I be butt-hurt?

I stated that your like of Versus is based on next to nothing, and you pointed that out yourself with your subsequent reply.


No need to add more.

[xENOgEAR666]

Originally Posted by Hynad

I can certainly tell you there's no way you can say you like Versus more than FF XIII, since you didn't play either of them.


And, why would I be butt-hurt?

I stated that your like of Versus is based on next to nothing, and you pointed that out yourself with your subsequent reply.


No need to add more.

OHH I see your logic makes perfect sense. I guess that means I have to go out and pick up the Barby's Playhouse video game and play it through to be able to tell if I am going to like it as much as starcraft 2 when it comes out huh?

You are damn stupid!!!

Once again, I know what kind of games I like, I don't have to play all video games before I can tell if I will like one better than the other. The only time this is true is when they look very similar in quality TO ME, which XIII and versus do not, TO ME.

I won't go over my reasons for knowing why versus is going to be my favorite of the two again, but just know that I know myself well enough to be able to know what kind of atmosphere, action, setting,etc that I like in my games, movies, and other media. And versus is very close to that while XIII is not.

I trust Square Enix to make good games, in my opinion MOST of the stuff they have is very high quality. So just the fact that they are both SE games, means to me they will both probably be very high quality. So the fact that versus has more action oriented gameplay (which I think is what a FF needs), and has elements based on the YAKUZA, and the awesome looking setting is all I really need to know to tell me which one will be my favorite, since I know that they will both be high quality already (faith in SE).

In essence, your argument tells me I have to wait for the new halo to come out as well as a new gears of war to know which one I will like better, when I already know I fucking hate Halo?

I mean unless they radically changed Halo to the point where it shouldn't even be called Halo anymore, I already know I would like Modern Warfare 2 better. Same applies to XIII. I have even already seen gameplay. Unless they radically altered that gameplay and story before the game came out, to match more my style of setting and gameplay in a game (gloomy and action oriented) then I already know Versus (which is striving for these things) will be more appealing to me...

Your logic is fucking stupid.

[Hynad]

Yeah sure, compare a third person action game to a FPS.

Versus and FF XIII are both RPG games. One of which we have info on it, the other not so much.

You base your judgment on the looks of things. Not on actual information.

Nomura himself told the press he didn't yet know how the battle system will work exactly. And the setting? Yep, vague lines that could end up not being at all like what you think. I hope you get disappointed.

But you probably won't, even if the game sucks balls like the next Transformers game.

[tanis_lionheart]

Seeing as how FF13 is being limited due to going cross platformers and the main character is suppose to be a female version of Cloud......


I'm going with Verses.

[xENOgEAR666]

Originally Posted by tanis_lionheart

Seeing as how FF13 is being limited due to going cross platformers and the main character is suppose to be a female version of Cloud......


I'm going with Verses.

Now here is a guy with some sense :P

[Hynad]

With some sense? He's throwing fanboy shit at us and you say it has some sense?

Saying the game will be limited because it's multi-platform is utter misinformed shit taken from nowhere other than his ass.

But you'll support him, since he's "more interested" in you masturbating methods.

[xENOgEAR666]

If he is a fanboy because he doesnt want to play as a female version of cloud, everyone who hates on FFVII is a fanboy because they hate on FFVII?

You throw around that term like its the be-all end-all to an argument LMAO. Theres nothing wrong with being a fan of something, and just because you like something or are looking forward to certain games more than others, does NOT, make you a fanboy.

You are completely illogical... You must have been trying to fit in on this board for way too long because..

Nothing you say makes sense bro? I cant even say just stop while your still ahead because you got behind along time ago, but for gods sake , I IMPLORE YOU, JUST STOP.

[tanis_lionheart]

Originally Posted by Hynad

With some sense? He's throwing fanboy shit at us and you say it has some sense?
Saying the game will be limited because it's multi-platform is utter misinformed shit taken from nowhere other than his ass.
But you'll support him, since he's "more interested" in you masturbating methods.

You have the avatar of a pedo. Now that we've got the insults out of the way...

FF7 is one of the worst out of the series for me.
So any game trying to emulate it is going to get points docked.

Also, when a game goes multi-platform, in the porting sense, the superior system (graphical power wise) is going to get hit.

It happened with games that were made for the PS2 & the Xbox.
They were limited by the PS2's graphical power when compared with the superior hardware of the Xbox.

[xENOgEAR666]

Originally Posted by tanis_lionheart

You have the avatar of a pedo. Now that we've got the insults out of the way...

FF7 is one of the worst out of the series for me.
So any game trying to emulate it is going to get points docked.

Also, when a game goes multi-platform, in the porting sense, the superior system (graphical power wise) is going to get hit.

It happened with games that were made for the PS2 & the Xbox.
They were limited by the PS2's graphical power when compared with the superior hardware of the Xbox.

There really is no point in even arguing with him, he won't dispute your points he will just keep spouting the same BS over and over that is pretty irrelevent.

I will go ahead and sum up his next post "You haven't played either of them so you can't possibly know if you enjoy the setting or gameplay ideas of one more than the other. Also you are a fanboy."

There, now you don't have to read his next post

[topopoz]

After reading 7 pages of this topic, I've come to this conclusion.

Screw XIII, they're about to release 3 flagship titles and they've announced XIV recently, it's a circus. Too many products of FF were announced in little time.

I personally don't find appealing Nomura designs and I lost my interest on the main FF since they released IX.
Square is releasing that many titles because they know it's going to sell and it will sell really good.

XIII, is a regular Nomura FF.
Versus XIII, Nomura says that it will be more darker and realistic, let's see what he gets.
Agito, I don't know what the fuck is this.
XIV, Online with designs of Yoshida and music of Uematsu. This is a more attractive offer to me.

Protagonist: I don't really care, every FF I like don't have a protagonist of my particular liking.
Story: XIII is pretty regular, Versus there's little said apart from being speculative darker and realistic, Agito...WTF?.
Gameplay: Don't care as long as they've don't come with a stupid static non-strategic slow gameplay as IX.(perhaps it's strategic but it's so SLOW)

And as I was writing this I've just saw Versus Trailer. And it's was a deja vu for me. It's the same as Advent Children, the new protagonist is just like cloud in AC with dark hair. I think it would be a better idea to release it as an anime rather than a game. But whatever it does appear more attractive than XIII. It's all just a Circus this whole XIII and beyond thing that it's doing square in my point of view.

[Hynad]

Originally Posted by tanis_lionheart

You have the avatar of a pedo. Now that we've got the insults out of the way...

FF7 is one of the worst out of the series for me.
So any game trying to emulate it is going to get points docked.

Also, when a game goes multi-platform, in the porting sense, the superior system (graphical power wise) is going to get hit.

It happened with games that were made for the PS2 & the Xbox.
They were limited by the PS2's graphical power when compared with the superior hardware of the Xbox.

FF XIII isn't trying to emulate FF VII, as far as the info we have about it goes. That's a baseless assumption on your part, but I'll get back on that later.

When a game goes multi-platform, in the porting sense like you say, the system it was first designed for usually gets the better version of the game. You mustn't have played many multi-platform games. You know, games like Resident Evil 5, Fallout 3, or even Bayonetta all look better on the original system it was designed for (in those cases, the 360).

Now if you're saying the PS3 version of FF XIII will take the hit because it is now going on the 360 too, then that's nothing but an assumption on your part, and there's nothing but random rumors from angry Sony-tards backing it. The game was designed for the PS3 architecture first, so if there's any down-scaling, if we apply the usual trend that comes with the porting process, it will be the 360 version that will get the hit, not the other way around.

There's nothing indicating, without any doubt possible, that Square-Enix downgraded the possible quality of the game to make the two versions as faithful to each others as possible. You can believe what you will, but no undeniable evidences point to that.

And the judge is still out to determine whether or not the PS3 is more capable than the 360.

First and second party developers have an edge on the PS3, but what tells us that they wouldn't manage to do a game like Uncharted 2 on the 360 if they were to develop for that particular architecture?

As for Lightning having been created to be a female version of Cloud, that's only the overall envelop. Her personality isn't the same as Cloud and she's not going to have the same inner struggle.


And just to let you know, since you don,t seem to be aware of it, the one who designed Cloud and created Advent Children is handling Versus from A to Z, so if there's a game that should worry you about the characters resembling Cloud, and having to go through the kind of shit they threw at us with that overly emo tard, it's Versus you should look at.



xENOgEAR666: You may anticipate the game more, but saying it will be better without actually playing, and barely having any info about its gameplay (since they didn't release anything yet) is indeed retarded. Your argument about how FF XIII is just an other typical FF when compared to Versus holds no ground since we don't yet know what kind of gameplay and story Versus will offer. Even the setting is obscure and have been barely given any details. I repeat myself here. But it's a fact, and you can't seem to get it. Some slow-pokes will only understand a statement after repetition. Hope that helps.

[xENOgEAR666]

xENOgEAR666: You may anticipate the game more, but saying it will be better without actually playing, and barely having any info about its gameplay (since they didn't release anything yet) is indeed retarded. Your argument about how FF XIII is just an other typical FF when compared to Versus holds no ground since we don't yet know what kind of gameplay and story Versus will offer. Even the setting is obscure and have been barely given any details. I repeat myself here. But it's a fact, and you can't seem to get it. Some slow-pokes will only understand a statement after repetition. Hope that helps.

Dude, go back, and actually read at least one of my posts..... please...

I never once said that the game will be better IN GENERAL, I ALWAYS said that the game was going to be better or more appealing to me, I said it was my style of game.

I was arguing that I have plenty of info to tell me that Versus is more my style of game than XIII, not that I can say the game is better for sure, that is an opinion.

and it HAS been stated that versus will be more action game like, and you can tell by the amazing music and the atmosphere of the trailer the game is going to be more somber in general.

Once again, you put words in my mouth to try to win the argument.

[Hynad]

Originally Posted by xENOgEAR666

Incorrect. There is plenty known about versus at this point that tells me that I already KNOW (yes, that's a fact) I am going to like it better than XIII.

1. I like video games with characters I can relate to. I can already tell I can relate to Noctus better. The game looks darker and more bleak in general, and so does his character. Also, I usually relate to male characters better than female lead characters and therefore enjoy games more with males as the lead. This is the style of game I like. Saying style and look has no effect on your opinion of a game is moronic, but at the same time its not terribly important, its just one of the many things that sway my opinion toward versus.

2. XIII seems like the same story as any other final fantasy that has come out. I can already tell what the game is going to be like mostly and it just makes me wish they would have gone a different direction with the main new final fantasy coming out. Then, I see a trailer for versus, and think, Now this is what they should have done to begin with! Even though there is little information, the little information that I do know already tells me I will like versus more.
a. More action oriented gameplay (This HAS been stated) - Right up my alley. I think they should make a Final fantasy with an epic ass story as well as epic dissidia style fighting in it! Another fact that moves versus above XIII for me.
b. Notcis's group is based on the Yakuza (Also has been stated, and I have a collection of probably 150 Yakuza movies). I think the Yakuza are very interesting, so basing his group on them tells me that I am going to enjoy these group dynamics a whole lot more than the generic love and save the world story dynamics that are going to occupy XIII's group. We can also already see the relationship between Notcis and the girl is not going to be an average love story like in the other FF's. They duke it out!
c. Darker and bleaker story. You can tell just by looking at it that the game is darker in general. Once again, my kind of thing.

3. THE MUSIC. The music in the versus trailer completely blows anything ive heard on any XIII video out of proportion! That latin opera singing while noctis is owning everyone is awesome. Makes it super epic. This type of epic music gives me the chills just listening to it. Very soulful. If the rest of the music on this game is as good as this, well damn, I don't know what to say...

4. PS3 exclusive still - Graphics and extra features will not be downgraded to fit on the 360.

This is all the reasons I need to tell me that I will love versus more than XIII. Its not even a question really.

I'm sure ill play XIII and enjoy it, but if you read all that and try to tell me I don't have sufficent reason to know Illl like versus better, well, your just retarded.

I know what I like, especially what kind of games I like, and Versus appeals to me 1000000x more than XIII.

and I am 20 years old. There is nothing pre-pubescent about my comment you fool.

That post from yours here is where you state you will, without any doubt possible, love Versus more. Despite what I pointed out about the utter lack of information.

And here is when you started your hilarity fest:

Originally Posted by xENOgEAR666

You guys blow my mind flaming a guy cuz he thinks versus looks tighter...

Guess what.. IT DOES LOOK BETTER. And I will give you my reasons.

When I think hmm, would I rather see another generic final fantasy about some powerful god like beings granting powers to a special group of people who are destined to save the world from some great evil but even so they are looked down upon by the world (cocoon)? OR would I rather see final fantasy make a darker story again, with the coolest looking hero since Cloud (Flame me cuz I think he looks cool, dont care), and also a fighting style that looks alot cooler than anything in Xiii.

Not only that but, Nomura stated that Noctus's group or kingdom or something is based on the JAPANESE MAFIA, THE YAKUZA. now that is friggin sweet!

I dunno if any of you guys seen any yakuza movies, but they are awesome!!

So we have the coolest hero since cloud, with pretty much the coolest fighting style ever, his group is based on the Yakuza, and the story will be darker than usual and all the environments are darker and more bleak than usual. AND we get action gameplay instead of more standard RPG type gameplay.

I always wondered how awesome a game would be if they could impliment dissidia style action fighting into a game with a story as awesome as RPG's as FFVII, xenogears, etc...

Sounds 100x better to me...

You're one of those who judge things from their covers.

[Xiahou Dun]

I may be a little behind when it comes down to FFXIII Versus, but the last I heard it hadn't been announced if it was going to be released outside of Japan. Any other info about this released yet?

I looked on Wikipedia and this is all that's listed there under Development:

Development

Final Fantasy Versus XIII began development as early as 2003, two or three years prior to E3 2006 in conjunction with Final Fantasy XIII, after the PlayStation 3 Final Fantasy VII Technical Demo was completed.[19] Led by Tetsuya Nomura, the game was developed by the team responsible for the Kingdom Hearts games as well as Final Fantasy VII Advent Children. As with Final Fantasy XIII, development initiated on the PlayStation 2 but was later shifted to the PlayStation 3 when the development team determined that the PlayStation 2's hardware would not suffice for the "visual expression" that the team had initially decided upon and that the single DVD format did not have the adequate storage requirements. As such, most of the development was restarted on the PlayStation 3.[19] Versus XIII was considered unsuitable as an iteration of the Final Fantasy series due to the concept and thinking behind the game's plot and structure.[20]

Along with Final Fantasy XIII, the game utilizes the Crystal Tools engine—an engine specifically designed by Square Enix for the seventh generation of video game consoles. However, in early 2007, Square Enix had announced they had licensed Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 for use in their future next generation titles, like The Last Remnant. Some speculated that Final Fantasy Versus XIII would be developed using the Unreal Engine 3, however, Square Enix has stressed the White Engine—later renamed Crystal Tools—would be used in Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy Versus XIII in the Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation.[21][22] It was announced that the game would use the PlayStation 3's motion-sensitive SIXAXIS controller.[14]

Reports of June 2008 that Final Fantasy Versus XIII had been put on hold so that the Versus team could assist work on the main title, Final Fantasy XIII, were later debunked by Square Enix, stating that this was a mistranslation of an interview from Famitsu[23] and misinterpretation of the article, and that both games are moving along at their original schedules; occasionally, Versus developers assist with Final Fantasy XIII development.[24] Square Enix announced at its DKΣ3713 party in August 2008 that the demo of Final Fantasy XIII, as well as new trailers of Versus XIII and Agito XIII, would be released in the highly-anticipated Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Complete Blu-ray Disc.[25] Square Enix announced the release date of the new Advent Children Blu-ray release to be some time during March 2009 (later changed to April 16) and asked fans to disregard previous release dates.[26] Famitsu released a 50-minute DVD entitled "Re: Riplai" on December 13, 2008 including trailers from the Fabula Nova Crystallis series and other Square Enix titles.[27]

From what else I've read on Wikipedia about this title, with so little to go on it does seem rather foolhardy to make any concrete comments about which is going to be better etc. Still, if people want XIII more than Versus XIII and vice versa, who cares?

[xENOgEAR666]

Originally Posted by Hynad

That post from yours here is where you state you will, without any doubt possible, love Versus more. Despite what I pointed out about the utter lack of information.

And here is when you started your hilarity fest:



You're one of those who judge things from their covers.

I know what I have wrote and I never said anything different you fool... I said I know that I will like versus better, thats not saying it will be better for everyone.. but I def already know which one I will like better simply because of my faith in square enix to make them both good games then it all comes down to which one appeals to me more. If you wanna keep arguing that YOU know for a fact that I dont know which one that I (no one else) will like better... you are really just a fool. Im done. Later.

[Prak]

Hynad, I hate to disagree with you here, but this guy is right. He will like that versus game more. I know this because I know his type. He would think dog crap is the best thing ever if you dress it in black clothes and put it in a room with no color. It's what he thinks is cool, and for some people, "coolness" is all that matters.

Please keep in mind that I think both games look like garbage and won't be touching either of them.

[tanis_lionheart]

Well the battle system of FF13 has got me intrigued to say the least.

It sounds more like FF4/9 with the whole 'classes' type of a deal.

Verses better pull something out of its ass because emo lawnmower sword can only go so far with me.

[xENOgEAR666]

Originally Posted by rapidfire sidewalk

Hynad, I hate to disagree with you here, but this guy is right. He will like that versus game more. I know this because I know his type. He would think dog crap is the best thing ever if you dress it in black clothes and put it in a room with no color. It's what he thinks is cool, and for some people, "coolness" is all that matters.

Please keep in mind that I think both games look like garbage and won't be touching either of them.

Thank you , "Prak". My point exactly. I know which one I will like better you just don't have to be such an asshole all the time, you know?

Its not that "coolness" is the only thing that matters, like I have said before, it is from my faith in sqenix to make them both superb games.

Since I have faith in that (both being good games), all it comes down to (if they deliver) is which one I think has the cooler gameplay, setting, and characters. So far, the little info I have had on versus makes it seem they are developing that game much more to my tastes. Ever since I saw/heard about XIII I just wished they had made it differently.

If you say these things (characters, settings, visuals etc) are not important to a video game, then I dunno what to tell you. I guess we just look for different things in a game, which is no reason to insult anyone about its an opinion. Everyone has differing tastes, no?

Most movies, video games, and music I like is often serious, dark, somber and mature. That doesn't mean I run around in black clothes depressed and cut myself, its just my taste.

I can cut loose and watch some comedy or play a lighthearted or sports game, but at the end of the day the stuff that speaks to me much more is serious or darker stuff. Gangster movies (its awesome Noctis's group is based on the Yakuza), fantasy, and really off the wall trippy stuff is pretty much what fills my media collection.

XIII looks pretty good, don't get me wrong. I will play it. It looks like it has some of what I like, a dystopian society, etc. But at the end of the day for some reason it just doesn't look as appealing as a new FF should. It might just be because I really don't like any of the characters.

The characters in XIII all look really lame and from reading about them/watching the trailer I don't really feel like I can relate to them. I can't stand the design and personality of the main bro guy with blonde hair.What kind of name is lightning? A female version of cloud are you serious? etc etc all things I think while I watch/read about XIII

I mean are you guys really THIS gung-ho about telling people what they can and cannot like? Or do you guys just like arguing and trying to look cool on ffshrine? I mean its no big deal really, everyone likes different stuff.

You fellows need to grow up, and stop labeling anyone that likes something different than you a FFVII fanboy, some other kinda fanboy, moron, etc etc.

[Hynad]

[Prak]

1. Every social setting needs someone like me.

2. Your continued trust in a company that treats you and all their other fans like complete retards (probably because the majority of those fans prove them right) never fails to astonish and amuse me.

3. This is a hostile environment. It has been for as long as I've been here and isn't going to change because you ignorantly whine for people to "grow up" or stop picking on you. If you don't want to be targeted, improve yourself.